Disk Herniation, Bulging Disc, Degenerative Disc Disease…?

So you’ve been told by your family doctor or chiropractor that your back pain is caused by a “disc” problem…well what does that actually mean?

Hearing a diagnosis of a “slipped disc” doesn’t do you any good if you do not know what that means and more importantly it does not tell you what can be done about it. So this article will address what disc disease is and what causes it.

Back Anatomy 101
Your spine is made up of 26 bones stacked upon eachother. These bones (vertebrae) are seperated and held together by “discs.” Discs are like cushions between the bones to absorb shock and take stresses away from the bones. Each disc is approximately 75% water. The disc is made of a tough, but flexible outer structure called the “annulus”. It is a series of concentric fibers wound together much like a radial tire. In the center of the disc is the “nucleus”, which is a gel-like structure roughly in a ball shape.

The discs also act as spacers between the spinal bones to allow the nerves from the spinal cord to exit and deliver their nerve information from the brain to the body and back again without interference.

Disc Physiology (Function)
Discs stay healthy by a process called imbibition. The discs “drink” water at night (much like a sponge absorbs), which contains minerals, oxygen and other nutrients needed to nourish the discs. When we wake up in the morning our discs are full of water and at their tallest. As the day goes on, the forces of gravity and our daily activities such as bending, lifting, twisitng, etc all cause the discs to be slightly compressed and water is squeezed out. By the time we hit the sack we will lose enough water to be about a half an inch shorter! Luckily as we lie down imbibition kicks in and our discs are replenished.

Disc Damage
Acute trauma and repeated stress to the spine causes malfunction and misalignment. This results in discs losing water and not being able to imbibe enough water at night. The result is dehydration (dessication) of the disc. After prolonged periods of dehydration (5-7 years) the disc will begin to breakdown and shrink. As this occurs, the side of the disc may bulge outward and irritate nearby nerves causing pain to radiate out to the leg. This is a “bulging disc.”

With time the disc will eventually herniate; the gel nucleus breaks through the anuulus fibers and causes irritation to the nerves mechanically and chemically by acids that leak out. This is a “disk herniation.”

A Progressive Degenerative Condition
The disc degeneration process is a downward spiral. The condition gets worse year by year until the disc collapses completely and severe nerve entrapment occurs causing a neurological crisis.

Disc Disease Summary
Disc disease is the most common cause of severe and/or chronic lower back pain and sciatica. It begins as stress on the spine which leads to dehydration and breakdown of the disc and
eventually nerve irritation and damage. It is a relentless
process that progressively worsens over time.

Once disc disease such as bulging disc, disk herniation or degenerative disc disease shows up, it must be properly treated to prevent it from worsening and causing permanent nerve damage.

35 Responses to “Disk Herniation, Bulging Disc, Degenerative Disc Disease…?”

  1. Ed Samartan Says:

    How do we know that the time frame of “5-7 years” of desiccation is accurate for the disc to break down and shrink? Is this documented in the medical literature? If so, which article?

  2. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    Dear Ed,

    Thanks for your question. I am trying to find a very precise and accurate study for you.

    In the meantime, follow the link below to read Dr. C Kent’s article on MRI observations of degeneration of the spine.

    He uses Modic’s (and others) research that showed a “normal” disc took 6-12 weeks to show Type I degeneration, then 14 weeks to 2 years to go to Type II, then 2-3 years to go to Type III. Type III presentation is what we would clinically call disc “desiccattion,” a darkened disc on a T2 weighted MRI image.

    Adding these figures you can see 5 years is a pretty good approximation. Remember, I am generalizing because this information is intended for laypersons. Obviously a disc could show up as desiccated practically overnight if a person has a massive herniation due to injury or could ensue over a period of weeks if the annulus is torn.

    The majority of patients, however, have degenerative conditions of their backs rather than traumatic tears. And it is quite safe to say these changes occur over years rather than weeks.

    This is important for patients to know because they may have been fairly symptom free up until one day when they reach down to pick up a paper clip and their back suddenly becomes painful. The bending over was merely the “last straw” as their back had been deteriorating silently for years beforehand.

    http://www.worldchiropracticalliance.org/tcj/1999/aug/aug1999kent.htm

    Modic MT, Ross JS, Masaryk TJ: “Imaging of degenerative disease of the cervical spine.” Clin Orthop (239):109, 1989.

    Modic MT, Steinberg PM, Ross JS, et al: “Degenerative disk disease: Assessment of changes in vertebral body marrow with MR imaging.” Radiology 166(1):193, 1988.

  3. Vivienne Says:

    That article was very helpful in understanding the problem, but I want to know how to treat it? Can it be reversed?

  4. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    Hi Vivienne,

    Thanks for visiting and for your question. Here’s a post that answers your question.

    http://spinaldecompression.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/treatment-for-bulging-discs-disk-herniation-degenerative-disc-disease/

    Contact me if you have further questions.

    Warmest regards,

    Dr Barry L Marks
    Orange Spinal Decompression Specialist

  5. Kirk Koenig Says:

    Dr. Marks,

    My 12 year old daughter who has been having back problems for 6-8 months after visiting several orthopedics doctors I have been told by the last Dr. that an MRI indicates degenerative disk disease. She is a athlete and they think she injured it playing travel volleyball. Whats your opinion on a 12 year old with this disease and their treatment plan to just let it rest until it gets better ,then followed by PT for core exercises. Do children get this she is very healthy and active.

    Thanks
    Kirk

  6. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    Hi Kirk,

    Im sorry to hear of your daughter’s pain. DDD in a 12 year old is possible but quite rare. Can athletics cause disc damage in a child? Yes.

    When a disc becomes injured it takes quite some time (years) before it shows signs of degeneration unless it was a massive acute tear. Did she ever have a sever back injury?

    This is a very interesting case. Because of your daughter’s age, I will privately email you to get more info so I might be able to help.

  7. Josie Says:

    I have a 12 year old who suffered whip lash after the automobile he was in was rear ended while waiting at a red light. After a recent MRI we were told he has two bulging disk. What exactly are we looking at here for both short term and long term. I know he is in constant pain, but keeping his chin up. How long should we expect the healing process to take? Can you suggest ways to improve the healing? We will be consulting with a neurosurgeon next week.

  8. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    I have treated lots of kids over the years due to auto accidents. Bulging discs are a very painful condition, but should improve in a 12 year old with proper care.

    What needs to happen is for the discs to be “decompressed.” On a 12 year old I do not recommend mechanical traction or spinal decompression. His bone structure is still too immature. In most cases, he is also too young for any invasive proicedures unless he is sufferign froms evere neurologic complicatiosn, which it appears he is not.

    I would recommend gentle gravity based traction using a neck roll on the edge of he bed.

    I further recommend a good chiropractor who specializes in whiplash injuries. Chiropractic treatment and physio therapy modalities they would apply has been proven to be the most effective form of treatment for whiplash injuries.

    Regardless of what the neurosurgeon or your family medical doctor may say. There is some bias still today, but research doesn’t lie.

    For auto accident resources and a list of competent specialist doctors in your area go to http://www.SRISD.com Enter the “patient” site. The leading accident experts in the world use these resources and take training through this institute, including myself. Nobody knows more about whiplash type injuries than these doctors.

    Best of luck to you and please feel free to come back and ask more questions. I’m here to help.

    Warmest regards,

    Dr Barry Marks

    P.S. Want more info on auto accident injuries? Try my Free online seminar at http://www.truthaboutwhiplash.com

  9. Dallas Mitchell Says:

    I am very interested in the question posted by Ed Samartion. I have been told that in trauma cases with the injury involving connective tissue to the spine and disc that it can take up to 20 years for the dessication to evolve to the point of causing radiating pain to the legs. Any opinion or case studies would be helpful. Thank you in advance for your concerns and time.

    Thanks Dallas

  10. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    Thanks for the question/comment Dallas.

    In my opinion there really is no connection between the disc desiccation and the sciatica. Here’s why.

    You may have a desiccated disc for several years and be symptom free. It is not the desiccation that causes symptoms. It is when the disc flattens down narrowing down the IVF (opening nerves go through between spinal bones) or bulges outward into the nerves. You may have desiccation for 5 years and the disc slightly bulges and you have leg pain. Or it may not bulge until 20 years later then your leg pain begins.

    Here’s how to tell if a disc problem has been around some time. This is how I “age” a disc problem or spinal degeneration. I am sorry that I will not be able to recite any concrete studies other than the Modic one above.

    Disc desiccation but no disc height loss: problem is fairly recent, days to 5 years
    Disc desiccation with slight loss of disc height: problem is 5-7 years old
    Disc desiccation with moderate loss of disc height no bone spurs: 7-10 years old
    Disc desiccation with moderate disc height loss and bone spur formation: 10-15 years
    Disc desiccation with severe disc height loss and/or extensive bone spur formation: 15-20+ years

    Chiropractors have used roughly similar guidelines for years to determine phase or severity of spinal degeneration. Please know these are approximations, but are often fairly close.

    How do I know?

    Because when I analyze films and then ask the patient did you suffer a trauma to your back and when. The age of their trauma closely falls in line with the x-ray findings.

    Sciatica can come on totally in the absence of disc problems. I see many patients with sciatic pain due to misalignment of the vertebrae or pelvis (subluxation), Piriformis syndrome, hamstring tightness, etc

    And I see lots of patients with severe disc deterioration and bulging but no leg pain.

    Clinical correlation between the symptoms, exam findings and MRI results are crucial to understanding the patient condition.

    Hope this answers your query. Let me know.

    Warmest regards,

    Dr Barry Marks
    http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  11. Dallas Mitchell Says:

    Thanks for your reply. It was very helpful in understanding the problem.

    At which of the above mentioned stages of desiccation is surgery usually considered , which I understand is always the last resort treatment?

  12. Dr Marks Says:

    Whenever the patient has reached a point at which other methods have failed to adequately control pain and their lifestyle is adversely affected.

    At any stage when neurologic signs indicate progressive worsening: atrophy, foot drop, loss of bowel and bladder control, anal anesthesia (signs of Cauda Equina Syndrome)

    Thanks for your questions Dallas

    Dr Marks

  13. Nick Kaywork Says:

    Dr Marks,

    Your article was very helpful for me, as I try to deal with military decisions regarding my back. I was diagnosed with DDD in 2006, following a 40′ fall trauma in 2005. An innocent jump during a game of flag football was my “straw” in 2006, which sent me on my long road to diagnosis, spinal fusion surgery, and medical retirement from the military.

    Military says I was sufficiently “healed” from the trauma in 2005, and that the fall wasn’t the cause of the injury, but that the 2′ jump in the air and landing flat on my feet caused L-4-L5 and L5-S1 to rupture. Quirky, no?

    I know it’s hard to get all of the facts, but I’d like your opinion on this, if I may. I’m of the mindset that the fall trauma in 2005 started the bulging process and severe dessication of the disks. Now I’m at a point where I need ways to show this to the military authorities. I do not have MRIs between the 40′ fall and the 2′ jump injury. Is it accepted that a seemingly innocent gesture like my jump may not be the “cause” of the injury, but one should look further for a trauma?

    Thanks so much in advance!

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Nick,

      First let me tell you “Thank you” for your service to our country.

      Next, I have a fairly extensive background in how our military handles such things…deny, delay, etc. I love our country, but the military’s medical system is atrocious. You have a tough battle on your hands despite the fact that you are correct.

      It is very likely that your discs were injured in the 40′ fall. Few people could withstand such trauma without serious injury. It is medically probable that even though you may feel recovered from such an incident that your disc(s) suffered damage, which would later cause it to fail due to insigificant trauma like a flag football game or bending over to pick up a paper clip.

      Severe desiccation (dehydration) is a process that takes 1. sudden severe trauma or 2. time, as in years. It is impossible for your disc to become severely desiccated from an incident as described playing flag football.

      What you need is one or more doctors to write appeal letters for you explaining the “medically probable” cause of your injuries. You’ll need to gather all your records from every doctor you’ve seen since the 2005 fall, including actual x-ray and MRI films, and a copy of your service record with incident reports to be used as the basis of these letters.

      My experience is that you will most likley have to go at them more than once, maybe up to three times to be successful and get it pushed through.

      I’d like to help you in any way I can, so please contact me with any further questions or remarks.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  14. Loganne Says:

    I injured my back more than a year ago in a dance class. My right leg was extended behind me at about a 90 degree angle when what felt like an explosion on the left side of my lower back occurred. Immediately following the injury, I was unable to bend forward, back, walk, sit, move… This lasted for about two weeks and mobility gradually increased. I continued dancing as best I could for the remainder of the school year and took the summer off. September rolls around and I’m sill in significant pain, especially when dancing (which is my major in school.) Pain is increased with both extension and flexion but is more significant with flexion. Feels like my back is on fire or been scored and occasionally runs down my left leg with stabbing jabs in by back, buttock, and thigh. I had an x-ray and bone scan in September. Bone scan showed nothing and the x-ray showed some narrowing disc space. After fall quarter (early December), I had an MRI done. The impression reads: “Prominent central and left paracentral disk herniation at L4/5 causing both stenosis of the central canal and some compromise of the nerve rootlet on the left side.” There is also a bulge at the L5/S1. I’ve had to continue dancing (I’m on scholarship at school.) I’m only 20 years old and would like to avoid crippling pain by 30. Other than the increase in pain, could dancing further aggravate the herniation? I feel sort of in limbo with by doctor. First he sent me to pt, prednisone, then added traction. PT had been suspended for the time being. I’ve been given some home exercises. Pain hasn’t decreased, actually its gotten much worse since September. I’m just unsure of what I should do…

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Loganne,

      Sorry to hear of your “limbo” status with your back.

      I wont mince words because this is important: You have suffered an injury to a disc, which is likley to worsen over time.

      You are very young and in a very demanding occupation. Not taking proper care of this now may result in you not being able to dance in the future. Continuing to do strenuous exercises can result in more tearing of the disc and additional damage.

      You need to be evaluated by a DRX spinal decompression specialist to see if you are a candidate for this type of treatment that may help heal your disc and prevent surgery. I have experience working with professional and collegiate level dancers and other athletes and have gotten them back to their endeavors with this and other treatments.

      Conservative treatments such as acupuncture, chiropractic, physical therapy, and exercises cannot repair the disc. Therefore, these treatments are strictly “band-aids’ rather than something that can correct your problem. On the other hand, more invasive procedures like epidural injections and surgery should be your last resort, particularly at your age and your activities. Edipural do not repair the disc merelt takes swelling out of the area so you feel less pain, while your disc continues to deteriorate. Surgery should only be done when you are faced with severe and/or deteriorating neurologic malfunction.

      I hope this information helps you. If you would like assistance locating a proper specialist in your area, or if you have further questions, just let me know. I’d be happy to help.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry L Marks DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  15. karen decker Says:

    I am 54 years old and have been told I need spinal fusion and a diskectomy. I have suffered with pain, weakness in leg,numbness and foot drop of my right side for a year and a half. I limp constantly now and have trouble sleeping as well as sitting. My mri showed a bulging disk pressing on my nerve as well as cysts pressing on the nerve. One vertabrae has also moved and part of that is pressing on the nerve. Will waiting until July 2009 for surgery make the weakness and foot drop permanent? Please respond. Thank you for your help. Karen Decker

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Karen,

      Whether you can wait until July depends on the stability of your spine. It sounds like you have a spondylolisthesis (bone moved out of place as you describe it), if your surgeon believes it is stable and not going to move further and cause neurologic compromise, then you can probably wait until July. I doubt waiting will cause enough nerve pressure to cause the nerves to be permanently damaged in that time frame. Your surgeon would be the person in the best position to answe that question, however.

      I wish you luck and pray your surgery goes well.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  16. Royce Says:

    I’m 49 I injured my back when I was 24 lifting 150 pounds the wrong way, I lifted with my back and not my legs to begin with then instead of curling the weight up to my chest before pushing it over my head I just went straight over my head in one arcing move, the momentum bent me backwards a bit before I was able to let go. I was in bed for 2 weeks recovering from that little manuver. then i spent 15 years working for tv rental companies picking up and delivering furniture many times up 3 flights of stairs, for about 2 years had my own business cleaning out storage rooms and garages much heavy lefting little if any lifted correctly. but I had been diagnosed wth two bulging disc 15 years ago out of which one of them was dehydrated and during all the time I did this heavy lifting with those disc like that lifting the wrong why. Now I’m in constant pain 24/7 365 a year can’t stand 10 minutes can’t bend over to get a pot out of the lower cabinent afraid to perform for my wife.Is there some exercise or something I can do to help?

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Royce,

      Unfortunately you are not alone. Improper lifting when we’re young accounts for many cases of degenerative disc disease later in life. Each time a disc is damaged by over stressing it, the damage accumulates until eventually it gives out and begins to bulge.

      Here’s my advice, go download a copy of my Free eBook “Back Pain Remedies” here: http://www.spinediscrehab.com/back-pain-remedies-book.html

      Try the advice in the book, then if you continue to suffer pain, consult a drx9000 spinal decompression specialist to see if this exciting new technology can help you. Click the icon to your right for a Free Severe Back Pain Report and when your request comes in we will route it to a specialist in your area. From your brief description, I believe, short of surgery, this is the treatment with the most potential for you.

      I wish you luck and be sure to come back soon!

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  17. Cora Says:

    I am a 27 yr old female who was recently in 2 motor vehicle accidents. I’ve had 2 MRI’S done, the first had moderate disk dehydration and the second had pertuite disk dehydration (not sure if I’m including everything). I have severe neck and shoulder pain and now numbness in my right arm when I sleep. I also experience some upper and lower back pain. The doctor said its permenant damage. Could this have been caused by the accidents? What can I do to treat it? I received some neck alignments that only caused more pain.Considering the epidiral injections.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Cora, I am sorry to hear about your problem. At 27 you wouldn’t be expected to have degenerative disc disease. Had you ever experienced neck stiffness or pain in the past? Have you had any past accidents or injuries (prior to these two accidents) to the neck? Do the MRI’s or plain x-rays show any signs of bone spurs or lipping? Without prior complaints, previous injury and in the absence of bony changes such as spurs or lipping, one would have to conclude that the disc problems are the result of the accidents. It is fairly common to suffer disc injuries in motor vehicle collisions.

      As far as treatment goes, it depends on how long ago the injuries were and what you have tried up to this point.

      By alignments I am assuming you mean chiropractic manipulation or adjustments. For an injury of your type that type of care may be fine, but many people experience pain when they are given too soon after the injury. If it is, then your DC may want to refrain from adjusting you until later. In the acute to subacute stage I like to use heat, interferential current therapy, ice, cold laser therapy and very mild stretching. The electrical stim and laser should be applied to the neck and traced down the arm to the wrist to reduce nerve inflammation and irritation. At home resting on a rolled towel under your neck for 5-15 min with ice is recommended. OTC anti-inflammatory medications may be helpful for the first few weeks but not longer than a month.

      Once the acute stage is resolved (usually 4-8 weeks) and you are more comfortable then rehabilitation exercises, adjustments, and cervical traction may be used to improve alignment of the spine and open up disc spaces to relieve pressure. At home exercises and traction can be helpful to reduce stress, increase strength and improve alignment.

      I save epidural injections for patients who are in intense pain that has not resolved much after a month of acute care. Remember these injections although common, are not simple procedures as advertised. There are real risks involved and they do not fix anything. They merely reduce inflammation in the area, which may result in less pain. Injections, in my opinion, are simply to reduce severe pain so that therapy can proceed to fix the underlying problem.

      And one last thing, your body has the capability to improve after a car accident for approximately 2 years. So, although a disc injury may be permanent, the pain associated with it may not be. It is important for such a young person to make sure you have attempted to fully rehabilitate your neck over the next 2 years to maximize your chances for a more complete recovery.

      Good luck Cora and please let me know if you have any further questions.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry L Marks, DC

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  18. Nishant Says:

    Dr Marks,
    i 30 and have been diagnosed with diffuse posterior disc herniation at L4/L5 about six weeks back.After two to three weeks of rest i had resumed normal activity.My only problem is i feel stiffness in lower back after prolonged sitting.Will my herniation improve with time and what kind of treatment do i follow to prevent further damage.
    regards

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Nishant,

      I’m glad your back is feeling better besides the stiffness. Stiffness after sitting for a period of time is a very common symptom of disc disease. MY answer to your question is in two parts.

      First, here is the quick answer. I recommend you get this free e-book on back pain remedies and do the items listed. Also, look through this blog for back pain exercises as well. http://www.spinediscrehab.com/back-pain-remedies-book.html By doing these items you will probably feel better while sitting. A good rule of thumb to observe is to get up and stretch your hands towards the ceiling and try to elongate your spine for a minute or so every half hour of sitting. This will minimize the amount of stress on the disc.

      Second and here is the key answer. No matter how you FEEL, stiffness on sitting or not, your disc is still malfunctioning. Any time you have a disc that is dehydrated (dessicated), bulging or herniated, you should take steps to try to repair it as much as possible to prevent it form deteriorating. In the past we could not do this, but thanks to modern medical technology, you now have the ability to rehabilitate discs and prevent them from worsening. The back pain treatment is called DRX9000 Spinal Decompression. I would urge you to locate a decompression specialist near you for an evaluation.

      My office, Orange Spine & Disc Rehabilitation Center is in Orange, CA and specializes in spinal orthopedics providing DRX9000 Spinal Decompression to back pain sufferers in Orange County, CA. For more info, including a short video on how the DRX9000 works, you may visit us at http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

      If you are out of our area, you may contact the DRX9000 manufacturer for a specialist near you by going to http://www.axiomworldwide.com

      I wish you luck and great health Nishant.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry L Marks, DC
      http://www.spinediscrehab.com

  19. Sapan Bansal Says:

    Dear Dr,

    Just a simple question? Why would a desiccated disc cause pain when there is no bulge or herniation present.

    Just a black disc on an MRI doesnot explain the kind of pain I experience?

    Thanks
    Sapan

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Sapan,

      Excellent question. The desiccated disc may or may not be the cause of your pain. This is where the doctor must determine through comparing your symptoms, including aggravating factors and the location and nature of the pain and a physical exam.

      A dark disc on MRI means it is dehydrate AKA desiccated. A dehydrated disc can be painful because the outer annular fibers of the disc have nerves in them. If the disc material is defective (dehydrated) it could trigger these nerves and cause pain. If the disc is dehydrated, but not bulging or herniated, the pain will usually be localized lower back pain roughly over the area of the disc. So if your L4 disc is involved you will feel pain at the L4 spinous process. A quick check is to bend forward at the waist and have someone tap your spinous processes (the bony projections in the mid line of your spine) with their fingers firmly. Often pain will be elicited over the segment that has a damaged disc. It may also be elicited on lying face down and having someone push straight down on you spinous processes.

      You may be experiencing back pain from misalignment of the vertebrae, a condition known as subluxation or you may be suffering from chronic muscle tension, facet syndrome or other common causes of lower back pain. There are lots of reasons why people have back pain. A careful and thorough exam and review of your x-rays, MRI and pain pattern should be able to narrow down this list to the root of your problem.

      If you would like to tell me more about your condition, I may be able to help you narrow your condition down some.

      Just reply here and tell me where your pain is located, what it feels like (sharp, stabbing, dull, burn, hot, cold, etc), what activities or positions make it worse and which make it better and what was revealed on your x-rays and MRI.

      Warmest regards

      Dr Barry L Marks, DC
      Author of Cure for Lower Back Pain

  20. Sapan Bansal Says:

    Thanks for a very prompt and conveincing reply.

    The pain is exactly at the edge of L5-S1.Its a dull pain, 24*7 kind of stuff. The pain is localized and remains in a 2 inch circular diameter.The pain is presernt from last 5 years now. Thing which makes it worse

    1)Prolonged sitting, bending.
    2)Mental Tension.

    Things which make it better
    1) Walking,not sure why.

    I have been to almost 10 dosctors for the situation and everyone has a different explanation. I am totally upset and frustated and really donot know what to do.

    I have tried downloading the backpain book but the link does not work.

    Another question, would you know of any Spinal Decompression machines in India?

    Also can I send a soft copy of my MRI? If yes, can you please let me know the email ID?

    Thanks for all your help.

    Regards
    Sapan

  21. Ivan saubidet Says:

    Dr doctor,

    I`m 37 and my doctor told me that I have three lumbar discs undergoing DDD. I don`t have much pain, however my doctor told me that although it is part of the aging process, probably I am genetically prone to develop DDD in the rest of my lumbar vertebraes, faster that other people. Is there a way to slow down the inevitable process? I`m fit and thin, are extension excercises such as the ones at Yoga good? I was starting acrobatic gym, is that a good option?
    Thank you very much.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Ivan,

      Some people do develop degenerative disc disease (DDD) early due to genetic weakness of their connective tissue makeup. It’s defintiely not normal aging for a 37 year old to show signs at 3 levels. It is likley due to stress or strain on your back in the past that has caused your discs to discontinue the normal uptake of water. The discs then get dried out. Painful or not, dehydrated discs need to be rehydrated before they fail. Here’s an analogy: If the tires on your car were all cracked and split, you probably wouldn’t wait until they blew out while you’re driving at full speed before you changed them. At least I woudl hope not. The same is true with with your discs. You need to get them rehydrated before they herniate while playing sports or exercising.

      For DDD I recommend spianl decomrpession followed by extensive core msucle rehabilitation. Afterwards you can consider what type of athletics you participate in. Acrobatic gymnsatics may be possible, but only after you’ve been thorouhgly evaluated and rehabilitated.

      Good luck.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://cureforlowerbackpain.com

  22. INIS Says:

    Dear Dr,

    I am 26 and I suffer from severe shoulder and neck pain daily. It is mainly present when sitting down for long periods or been on my feet for a couple of hours. I work in an office. I have had 2 MRI’s. The 1st 2 years ago showed small bulging dics from C3 through to C7 with the worst centred on C6-C7. With mild to moderate comprimise of nerves. I was treated with anti-inflamtories and muscle relaxants and physio through out the last two years every time it flarred up. (six times) I had another MRI yesterday which shows now the disc from C3 through to C7 are now dessicated with a bulge at C6 C7 and mild scoliosis right centered at C6. I am being referred to a spinal surgeon and have been but on a 150mg of Lyrica(Pregablin) a day. I beleive the cause is from an operation I had on my right clavical when I was 9 to remove a tumour. It has caused me pain since and has resulted in my right sholuder dropping and restricted movement. My physio has told me that my posture is very poor and my muscle tone on my right side is very weak. Even carrying a shopping bag or handbag with my right arm causes extreme fatigue and pain in my right shoulder and neck. The only relief I get is when I am lying down. Where do i go from here is surgery the best option? I would be extremley grateful for your opnion.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Lynnessa,

      Your disc disease appears significant enough to cause your symptoms. At age 26, its unusual to have disc disease like that without trauma or other unusual stress on the spine. The shoulder surgery could have caused an imbalance of the muscles of your neck and shoulder girdle, which could, over time, cause disc deterioration. In any event, you coudl be sufferign from vblockage of nerve and blood flwo through your neck as well as your shoudler area (an area called your thoracic outlet)

      Has anyone evaluated your thoracic outlet area to see if that is blocked? If it is, then neck surgery may not fix your problem. A CT scan or specific x-rays of the area can show if there is bony overgrowth causing impingement in the area. A quick and not very specific self test is to turn your ehad tot eh rioght, rasie your right arm and aletrnatignly poump your fist (close and open fingers) for 30-60 seconds. Does your arm or hand go numb, becoem painful ro feel tinlgy? If so, tehn you ahve throacic outlet problems. If not, then you;re probaly just sufferonmg from neck issues referrign tot eh shoudler area.

      For your neck; have you tried a home cervical traction pillow? Try this: roll up a towel into about a 4 inch roll. Place it on the edge of the bed and lay on your back with the roll under your neck while your head hangs off the end of the bed. Hold this stretch for 5 min. If no negative reaction, ie. dizzy, increased pain, headache, faint, etc then continue daily for 5 min then next week 10 min, then 15 and so on until you’ve reached 20 min a day.

      You should also consider a consult with a doctor that has a DRX9000C spinal decompression unit. Your discs may be repairable without surgery. Only a specialist who performs this procedure can tell you whether or not you are a candidate. I will send you a link by PM to locate someone near you. At your age you have to be extremely cautious about spine surgery. It may be that it is the right thing for you, but find out by seeking further competent advice first.

      Good luck and please feel free to come back and post more questions.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.cureforlowerbackpain.com

  23. Dallas Mitchell Says:

    Dr. Marks
    I am assisting a fellow Veteran, Joan Kidder, in filing for service connection for lumbar degenertive disc disease. She was injured in and auto accident in Dec 1973 while in service and diagnosed with low back strain. She was treated with rest and limited duty for a few weeks and then released. Since that time she has stated that her back has been weak when exercising or even light lifting. 17 years later her back got so painful that she sought medical intervention. She was checked and diagnosed with LDDD so severe that she had to undergo surgery in which they fused 5 levels of her spine in the same area that was injured by the auto accident. At the surgery time she was about 36-37 years of age. She did not have any other reported back injuries between her in-service injury and the time of the required surgery. There was no medical checks of her back during the 17 year period. Va claims that there is no way that it would have taken 17 years for the LDDD to show up even at the advanced stages that required immediate surgery. Her contention is that it took 17 years to manisfest to this extreme stage. She contends that minus the auto accident she would have been much older before the LDDD advanced to the stage of requiring surgery. The Va. standard is if it is (at least likely as not (50/50 chance) that the auto accident started the degenertive process. Her other eight siblings (who are in their 50’s and 60’s) have never had any spine diseaes which should rule out genectic causes. She maintains that this fact along with lack of any other back injuries that could have contributed to the LDDD should lean towards her in-service accident as the eventual cause of her LDDD. Do you know of any studies,litature or Doctors opinions that could assist in her endeavor with the Veterans Adminstration? What is your opinion on whether there is a 50/50 chance that the in-service accident caused her LDDD? Do you have any advice on how to deal with the Va claims process? Thanks in advance Dallas.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Dallas,

      Yes, I have some experience with the VA. Getting them to change a position is difficult but not impossible.

      Your letter pretty much outlines everything I would put into a letter to the VA explaining why it isn’t congenital DDD, but is in fact traumatic in origin. All of your points are valid. It can be 17 years before a spine deteriorates enough to cause severe problems. The fact that her siblings do not have DDD is also excellent proof.

      I would have 2 letters written. One from a chiropractor stating examination findings and mentioning the facts you have pointed out. The second from an orthopedic surgeon corroborating these facts.

      Make sure they state all the facts clearly and then make some kind of statement that reads, “it is medically probable, to a certainty of 75% or greater that the severe disc degeneration that has required surgery and persists today is directly and solely due to the service related injury of December 1973.”

      I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions.

      Warmest regards and with many thanks for yours and Joan’s service to our country,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.cureforlowerbackpain.com

  24. joseph, florida,dont know who to beleave Says:

    dear Dr

    At 23 my girl had a 80 lb dog fall off a table and both landed on her lower back. 1 month later she had an MRI and L4 and L5 disk were black on the MRI. 2 years later she had a nother MRI same result, but now she has leg pain and and worseing lower back pain by the month. Now a nother doc says it was from a genetic DDD. She is now 25. Is it possable for genetic DDD to be responsable for such sever degnaration at such a young age, it would have hade to have started at 16. IF not who can we talk to. she to young to be on heavy pain pills for the rest of her life. without some kind of expert help she will never get the surgry she needs and deserves. please help just need info.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Joseph,

      Does your daughter have any other discs that are dark on the MRI? Does she have siblings with DDD at about her age or younger? Do you or your wife have DDD that began early on? IF these answers are no, then I would bet your daughter injured her back when she fell rather than congenital DDD.

      I see lots of 20-somethings for DDD because of sports, auto accidents, falls, etc.

      At that young age, you do not want to do any surgery unless you have no other options. The long term outlook for surgical patients is not good.

      I specialize in non-surgical spinal decompression for lumbar disc herniations and bulges. I have used this equipment now since 2005 and I have to say that my very biased opinion is you need to seek out a DRX9000 facility in your area to see if she is a candidate. I am often stunned at the results I get. As an example, see this case study of a young woman your daughters age: http://www.spinediscrehab.com/back_pain_case_studies.htm Again I have numerous testimonials from young people who have been greatly helped and gotten back to normal activities thanks to the DRX9000. I can also tell you as a patient it works, because earlier this year I suffered an acute disc bulge and sciatica that was tremendously painful. Thank God I own a DRX because it was only a handful of visits and my pain completely vanished and I’ve been working hard ever since.

      The manufacturer is in Florida, so you’ll have many facilities to choose from. Go to http://axiomworldwide.com and look around.

      Good luck and please let em know how it goes.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

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