Disk Herniation, Bulging Disc, Degenerative Disc Disease…?

So you’ve been told by your family doctor or chiropractor that your back pain is caused by a “disc” problem…well what does that actually mean?

Hearing a diagnosis of a “slipped disc” doesn’t do you any good if you do not know what that means and more importantly it does not tell you what can be done about it. So this article will address what disc disease is and what causes it.

Back Anatomy 101
Your spine is made up of 26 bones stacked upon eachother. These bones (vertebrae) are seperated and held together by “discs.” Discs are like cushions between the bones to absorb shock and take stresses away from the bones. Each disc is approximately 75% water. The disc is made of a tough, but flexible outer structure called the “annulus”. It is a series of concentric fibers wound together much like a radial tire. In the center of the disc is the “nucleus”, which is a gel-like structure roughly in a ball shape.

The discs also act as spacers between the spinal bones to allow the nerves from the spinal cord to exit and deliver their nerve information from the brain to the body and back again without interference.

Disc Physiology (Function)
Discs stay healthy by a process called imbibition. The discs “drink” water at night (much like a sponge absorbs), which contains minerals, oxygen and other nutrients needed to nourish the discs. When we wake up in the morning our discs are full of water and at their tallest. As the day goes on, the forces of gravity and our daily activities such as bending, lifting, twisitng, etc all cause the discs to be slightly compressed and water is squeezed out. By the time we hit the sack we will lose enough water to be about a half an inch shorter! Luckily as we lie down imbibition kicks in and our discs are replenished.

Disc Damage
Acute trauma and repeated stress to the spine causes malfunction and misalignment. This results in discs losing water and not being able to imbibe enough water at night. The result is dehydration (dessication) of the disc. After prolonged periods of dehydration (5-7 years) the disc will begin to breakdown and shrink. As this occurs, the side of the disc may bulge outward and irritate nearby nerves causing pain to radiate out to the leg. This is a “bulging disc.”

With time the disc will eventually herniate; the gel nucleus breaks through the anuulus fibers and causes irritation to the nerves mechanically and chemically by acids that leak out. This is a “disk herniation.”

A Progressive Degenerative Condition
The disc degeneration process is a downward spiral. The condition gets worse year by year until the disc collapses completely and severe nerve entrapment occurs causing a neurological crisis.

Disc Disease Summary
Disc disease is the most common cause of severe and/or chronic lower back pain and sciatica. It begins as stress on the spine which leads to dehydration and breakdown of the disc and
eventually nerve irritation and damage. It is a relentless
process that progressively worsens over time.

Once disc disease such as bulging disc, disk herniation or degenerative disc disease shows up, it must be properly treated to prevent it from worsening and causing permanent nerve damage.

66 Responses to “Disk Herniation, Bulging Disc, Degenerative Disc Disease…?”

  1. Ed Samartan Says:

    How do we know that the time frame of “5-7 years” of desiccation is accurate for the disc to break down and shrink? Is this documented in the medical literature? If so, which article?

  2. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    Dear Ed,

    Thanks for your question. I am trying to find a very precise and accurate study for you.

    In the meantime, follow the link below to read Dr. C Kent’s article on MRI observations of degeneration of the spine.

    He uses Modic’s (and others) research that showed a “normal” disc took 6-12 weeks to show Type I degeneration, then 14 weeks to 2 years to go to Type II, then 2-3 years to go to Type III. Type III presentation is what we would clinically call disc “desiccattion,” a darkened disc on a T2 weighted MRI image.

    Adding these figures you can see 5 years is a pretty good approximation. Remember, I am generalizing because this information is intended for laypersons. Obviously a disc could show up as desiccated practically overnight if a person has a massive herniation due to injury or could ensue over a period of weeks if the annulus is torn.

    The majority of patients, however, have degenerative conditions of their backs rather than traumatic tears. And it is quite safe to say these changes occur over years rather than weeks.

    This is important for patients to know because they may have been fairly symptom free up until one day when they reach down to pick up a paper clip and their back suddenly becomes painful. The bending over was merely the “last straw” as their back had been deteriorating silently for years beforehand.

    http://www.worldchiropracticalliance.org/tcj/1999/aug/aug1999kent.htm

    Modic MT, Ross JS, Masaryk TJ: “Imaging of degenerative disease of the cervical spine.” Clin Orthop (239):109, 1989.

    Modic MT, Steinberg PM, Ross JS, et al: “Degenerative disk disease: Assessment of changes in vertebral body marrow with MR imaging.” Radiology 166(1):193, 1988.

  3. Vivienne Says:

    That article was very helpful in understanding the problem, but I want to know how to treat it? Can it be reversed?

  4. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    Hi Vivienne,

    Thanks for visiting and for your question. Here’s a post that answers your question.

    http://spinaldecompression.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/treatment-for-bulging-discs-disk-herniation-degenerative-disc-disease/

    Contact me if you have further questions.

    Warmest regards,

    Dr Barry L Marks
    Orange Spinal Decompression Specialist

  5. Kirk Koenig Says:

    Dr. Marks,

    My 12 year old daughter who has been having back problems for 6-8 months after visiting several orthopedics doctors I have been told by the last Dr. that an MRI indicates degenerative disk disease. She is a athlete and they think she injured it playing travel volleyball. Whats your opinion on a 12 year old with this disease and their treatment plan to just let it rest until it gets better ,then followed by PT for core exercises. Do children get this she is very healthy and active.

    Thanks
    Kirk

  6. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    Hi Kirk,

    Im sorry to hear of your daughter’s pain. DDD in a 12 year old is possible but quite rare. Can athletics cause disc damage in a child? Yes.

    When a disc becomes injured it takes quite some time (years) before it shows signs of degeneration unless it was a massive acute tear. Did she ever have a sever back injury?

    This is a very interesting case. Because of your daughter’s age, I will privately email you to get more info so I might be able to help.

  7. Josie Says:

    I have a 12 year old who suffered whip lash after the automobile he was in was rear ended while waiting at a red light. After a recent MRI we were told he has two bulging disk. What exactly are we looking at here for both short term and long term. I know he is in constant pain, but keeping his chin up. How long should we expect the healing process to take? Can you suggest ways to improve the healing? We will be consulting with a neurosurgeon next week.

  8. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    I have treated lots of kids over the years due to auto accidents. Bulging discs are a very painful condition, but should improve in a 12 year old with proper care.

    What needs to happen is for the discs to be “decompressed.” On a 12 year old I do not recommend mechanical traction or spinal decompression. His bone structure is still too immature. In most cases, he is also too young for any invasive proicedures unless he is sufferign froms evere neurologic complicatiosn, which it appears he is not.

    I would recommend gentle gravity based traction using a neck roll on the edge of he bed.

    I further recommend a good chiropractor who specializes in whiplash injuries. Chiropractic treatment and physio therapy modalities they would apply has been proven to be the most effective form of treatment for whiplash injuries.

    Regardless of what the neurosurgeon or your family medical doctor may say. There is some bias still today, but research doesn’t lie.

    For auto accident resources and a list of competent specialist doctors in your area go to http://www.SRISD.com Enter the “patient” site. The leading accident experts in the world use these resources and take training through this institute, including myself. Nobody knows more about whiplash type injuries than these doctors.

    Best of luck to you and please feel free to come back and ask more questions. I’m here to help.

    Warmest regards,

    Dr Barry Marks

    P.S. Want more info on auto accident injuries? Try my Free online seminar at http://www.truthaboutwhiplash.com

  9. Dallas Mitchell Says:

    I am very interested in the question posted by Ed Samartion. I have been told that in trauma cases with the injury involving connective tissue to the spine and disc that it can take up to 20 years for the dessication to evolve to the point of causing radiating pain to the legs. Any opinion or case studies would be helpful. Thank you in advance for your concerns and time.

    Thanks Dallas

  10. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    Thanks for the question/comment Dallas.

    In my opinion there really is no connection between the disc desiccation and the sciatica. Here’s why.

    You may have a desiccated disc for several years and be symptom free. It is not the desiccation that causes symptoms. It is when the disc flattens down narrowing down the IVF (opening nerves go through between spinal bones) or bulges outward into the nerves. You may have desiccation for 5 years and the disc slightly bulges and you have leg pain. Or it may not bulge until 20 years later then your leg pain begins.

    Here’s how to tell if a disc problem has been around some time. This is how I “age” a disc problem or spinal degeneration. I am sorry that I will not be able to recite any concrete studies other than the Modic one above.

    Disc desiccation but no disc height loss: problem is fairly recent, days to 5 years
    Disc desiccation with slight loss of disc height: problem is 5-7 years old
    Disc desiccation with moderate loss of disc height no bone spurs: 7-10 years old
    Disc desiccation with moderate disc height loss and bone spur formation: 10-15 years
    Disc desiccation with severe disc height loss and/or extensive bone spur formation: 15-20+ years

    Chiropractors have used roughly similar guidelines for years to determine phase or severity of spinal degeneration. Please know these are approximations, but are often fairly close.

    How do I know?

    Because when I analyze films and then ask the patient did you suffer a trauma to your back and when. The age of their trauma closely falls in line with the x-ray findings.

    Sciatica can come on totally in the absence of disc problems. I see many patients with sciatic pain due to misalignment of the vertebrae or pelvis (subluxation), Piriformis syndrome, hamstring tightness, etc

    And I see lots of patients with severe disc deterioration and bulging but no leg pain.

    Clinical correlation between the symptoms, exam findings and MRI results are crucial to understanding the patient condition.

    Hope this answers your query. Let me know.

    Warmest regards,

    Dr Barry Marks
    http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  11. Dallas Mitchell Says:

    Thanks for your reply. It was very helpful in understanding the problem.

    At which of the above mentioned stages of desiccation is surgery usually considered , which I understand is always the last resort treatment?

  12. Dr Marks Says:

    Whenever the patient has reached a point at which other methods have failed to adequately control pain and their lifestyle is adversely affected.

    At any stage when neurologic signs indicate progressive worsening: atrophy, foot drop, loss of bowel and bladder control, anal anesthesia (signs of Cauda Equina Syndrome)

    Thanks for your questions Dallas

    Dr Marks

  13. Nick Kaywork Says:

    Dr Marks,

    Your article was very helpful for me, as I try to deal with military decisions regarding my back. I was diagnosed with DDD in 2006, following a 40′ fall trauma in 2005. An innocent jump during a game of flag football was my “straw” in 2006, which sent me on my long road to diagnosis, spinal fusion surgery, and medical retirement from the military.

    Military says I was sufficiently “healed” from the trauma in 2005, and that the fall wasn’t the cause of the injury, but that the 2′ jump in the air and landing flat on my feet caused L-4-L5 and L5-S1 to rupture. Quirky, no?

    I know it’s hard to get all of the facts, but I’d like your opinion on this, if I may. I’m of the mindset that the fall trauma in 2005 started the bulging process and severe dessication of the disks. Now I’m at a point where I need ways to show this to the military authorities. I do not have MRIs between the 40′ fall and the 2′ jump injury. Is it accepted that a seemingly innocent gesture like my jump may not be the “cause” of the injury, but one should look further for a trauma?

    Thanks so much in advance!

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Nick,

      First let me tell you “Thank you” for your service to our country.

      Next, I have a fairly extensive background in how our military handles such things…deny, delay, etc. I love our country, but the military’s medical system is atrocious. You have a tough battle on your hands despite the fact that you are correct.

      It is very likely that your discs were injured in the 40′ fall. Few people could withstand such trauma without serious injury. It is medically probable that even though you may feel recovered from such an incident that your disc(s) suffered damage, which would later cause it to fail due to insigificant trauma like a flag football game or bending over to pick up a paper clip.

      Severe desiccation (dehydration) is a process that takes 1. sudden severe trauma or 2. time, as in years. It is impossible for your disc to become severely desiccated from an incident as described playing flag football.

      What you need is one or more doctors to write appeal letters for you explaining the “medically probable” cause of your injuries. You’ll need to gather all your records from every doctor you’ve seen since the 2005 fall, including actual x-ray and MRI films, and a copy of your service record with incident reports to be used as the basis of these letters.

      My experience is that you will most likley have to go at them more than once, maybe up to three times to be successful and get it pushed through.

      I’d like to help you in any way I can, so please contact me with any further questions or remarks.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  14. Loganne Says:

    I injured my back more than a year ago in a dance class. My right leg was extended behind me at about a 90 degree angle when what felt like an explosion on the left side of my lower back occurred. Immediately following the injury, I was unable to bend forward, back, walk, sit, move… This lasted for about two weeks and mobility gradually increased. I continued dancing as best I could for the remainder of the school year and took the summer off. September rolls around and I’m sill in significant pain, especially when dancing (which is my major in school.) Pain is increased with both extension and flexion but is more significant with flexion. Feels like my back is on fire or been scored and occasionally runs down my left leg with stabbing jabs in by back, buttock, and thigh. I had an x-ray and bone scan in September. Bone scan showed nothing and the x-ray showed some narrowing disc space. After fall quarter (early December), I had an MRI done. The impression reads: “Prominent central and left paracentral disk herniation at L4/5 causing both stenosis of the central canal and some compromise of the nerve rootlet on the left side.” There is also a bulge at the L5/S1. I’ve had to continue dancing (I’m on scholarship at school.) I’m only 20 years old and would like to avoid crippling pain by 30. Other than the increase in pain, could dancing further aggravate the herniation? I feel sort of in limbo with by doctor. First he sent me to pt, prednisone, then added traction. PT had been suspended for the time being. I’ve been given some home exercises. Pain hasn’t decreased, actually its gotten much worse since September. I’m just unsure of what I should do…

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Loganne,

      Sorry to hear of your “limbo” status with your back.

      I wont mince words because this is important: You have suffered an injury to a disc, which is likley to worsen over time.

      You are very young and in a very demanding occupation. Not taking proper care of this now may result in you not being able to dance in the future. Continuing to do strenuous exercises can result in more tearing of the disc and additional damage.

      You need to be evaluated by a DRX spinal decompression specialist to see if you are a candidate for this type of treatment that may help heal your disc and prevent surgery. I have experience working with professional and collegiate level dancers and other athletes and have gotten them back to their endeavors with this and other treatments.

      Conservative treatments such as acupuncture, chiropractic, physical therapy, and exercises cannot repair the disc. Therefore, these treatments are strictly “band-aids’ rather than something that can correct your problem. On the other hand, more invasive procedures like epidural injections and surgery should be your last resort, particularly at your age and your activities. Edipural do not repair the disc merelt takes swelling out of the area so you feel less pain, while your disc continues to deteriorate. Surgery should only be done when you are faced with severe and/or deteriorating neurologic malfunction.

      I hope this information helps you. If you would like assistance locating a proper specialist in your area, or if you have further questions, just let me know. I’d be happy to help.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry L Marks DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  15. karen decker Says:

    I am 54 years old and have been told I need spinal fusion and a diskectomy. I have suffered with pain, weakness in leg,numbness and foot drop of my right side for a year and a half. I limp constantly now and have trouble sleeping as well as sitting. My mri showed a bulging disk pressing on my nerve as well as cysts pressing on the nerve. One vertabrae has also moved and part of that is pressing on the nerve. Will waiting until July 2009 for surgery make the weakness and foot drop permanent? Please respond. Thank you for your help. Karen Decker

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Karen,

      Whether you can wait until July depends on the stability of your spine. It sounds like you have a spondylolisthesis (bone moved out of place as you describe it), if your surgeon believes it is stable and not going to move further and cause neurologic compromise, then you can probably wait until July. I doubt waiting will cause enough nerve pressure to cause the nerves to be permanently damaged in that time frame. Your surgeon would be the person in the best position to answe that question, however.

      I wish you luck and pray your surgery goes well.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  16. Royce Says:

    I’m 49 I injured my back when I was 24 lifting 150 pounds the wrong way, I lifted with my back and not my legs to begin with then instead of curling the weight up to my chest before pushing it over my head I just went straight over my head in one arcing move, the momentum bent me backwards a bit before I was able to let go. I was in bed for 2 weeks recovering from that little manuver. then i spent 15 years working for tv rental companies picking up and delivering furniture many times up 3 flights of stairs, for about 2 years had my own business cleaning out storage rooms and garages much heavy lefting little if any lifted correctly. but I had been diagnosed wth two bulging disc 15 years ago out of which one of them was dehydrated and during all the time I did this heavy lifting with those disc like that lifting the wrong why. Now I’m in constant pain 24/7 365 a year can’t stand 10 minutes can’t bend over to get a pot out of the lower cabinent afraid to perform for my wife.Is there some exercise or something I can do to help?

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Royce,

      Unfortunately you are not alone. Improper lifting when we’re young accounts for many cases of degenerative disc disease later in life. Each time a disc is damaged by over stressing it, the damage accumulates until eventually it gives out and begins to bulge.

      Here’s my advice, go download a copy of my Free eBook “Back Pain Remedies” here: http://www.spinediscrehab.com/back-pain-remedies-book.html

      Try the advice in the book, then if you continue to suffer pain, consult a drx9000 spinal decompression specialist to see if this exciting new technology can help you. Click the icon to your right for a Free Severe Back Pain Report and when your request comes in we will route it to a specialist in your area. From your brief description, I believe, short of surgery, this is the treatment with the most potential for you.

      I wish you luck and be sure to come back soon!

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  17. Cora Says:

    I am a 27 yr old female who was recently in 2 motor vehicle accidents. I’ve had 2 MRI’S done, the first had moderate disk dehydration and the second had pertuite disk dehydration (not sure if I’m including everything). I have severe neck and shoulder pain and now numbness in my right arm when I sleep. I also experience some upper and lower back pain. The doctor said its permenant damage. Could this have been caused by the accidents? What can I do to treat it? I received some neck alignments that only caused more pain.Considering the epidiral injections.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Cora, I am sorry to hear about your problem. At 27 you wouldn’t be expected to have degenerative disc disease. Had you ever experienced neck stiffness or pain in the past? Have you had any past accidents or injuries (prior to these two accidents) to the neck? Do the MRI’s or plain x-rays show any signs of bone spurs or lipping? Without prior complaints, previous injury and in the absence of bony changes such as spurs or lipping, one would have to conclude that the disc problems are the result of the accidents. It is fairly common to suffer disc injuries in motor vehicle collisions.

      As far as treatment goes, it depends on how long ago the injuries were and what you have tried up to this point.

      By alignments I am assuming you mean chiropractic manipulation or adjustments. For an injury of your type that type of care may be fine, but many people experience pain when they are given too soon after the injury. If it is, then your DC may want to refrain from adjusting you until later. In the acute to subacute stage I like to use heat, interferential current therapy, ice, cold laser therapy and very mild stretching. The electrical stim and laser should be applied to the neck and traced down the arm to the wrist to reduce nerve inflammation and irritation. At home resting on a rolled towel under your neck for 5-15 min with ice is recommended. OTC anti-inflammatory medications may be helpful for the first few weeks but not longer than a month.

      Once the acute stage is resolved (usually 4-8 weeks) and you are more comfortable then rehabilitation exercises, adjustments, and cervical traction may be used to improve alignment of the spine and open up disc spaces to relieve pressure. At home exercises and traction can be helpful to reduce stress, increase strength and improve alignment.

      I save epidural injections for patients who are in intense pain that has not resolved much after a month of acute care. Remember these injections although common, are not simple procedures as advertised. There are real risks involved and they do not fix anything. They merely reduce inflammation in the area, which may result in less pain. Injections, in my opinion, are simply to reduce severe pain so that therapy can proceed to fix the underlying problem.

      And one last thing, your body has the capability to improve after a car accident for approximately 2 years. So, although a disc injury may be permanent, the pain associated with it may not be. It is important for such a young person to make sure you have attempted to fully rehabilitate your neck over the next 2 years to maximize your chances for a more complete recovery.

      Good luck Cora and please let me know if you have any further questions.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry L Marks, DC

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  18. Nishant Says:

    Dr Marks,
    i 30 and have been diagnosed with diffuse posterior disc herniation at L4/L5 about six weeks back.After two to three weeks of rest i had resumed normal activity.My only problem is i feel stiffness in lower back after prolonged sitting.Will my herniation improve with time and what kind of treatment do i follow to prevent further damage.
    regards

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Nishant,

      I’m glad your back is feeling better besides the stiffness. Stiffness after sitting for a period of time is a very common symptom of disc disease. MY answer to your question is in two parts.

      First, here is the quick answer. I recommend you get this free e-book on back pain remedies and do the items listed. Also, look through this blog for back pain exercises as well. http://www.spinediscrehab.com/back-pain-remedies-book.html By doing these items you will probably feel better while sitting. A good rule of thumb to observe is to get up and stretch your hands towards the ceiling and try to elongate your spine for a minute or so every half hour of sitting. This will minimize the amount of stress on the disc.

      Second and here is the key answer. No matter how you FEEL, stiffness on sitting or not, your disc is still malfunctioning. Any time you have a disc that is dehydrated (dessicated), bulging or herniated, you should take steps to try to repair it as much as possible to prevent it form deteriorating. In the past we could not do this, but thanks to modern medical technology, you now have the ability to rehabilitate discs and prevent them from worsening. The back pain treatment is called DRX9000 Spinal Decompression. I would urge you to locate a decompression specialist near you for an evaluation.

      My office, Orange Spine & Disc Rehabilitation Center is in Orange, CA and specializes in spinal orthopedics providing DRX9000 Spinal Decompression to back pain sufferers in Orange County, CA. For more info, including a short video on how the DRX9000 works, you may visit us at http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

      If you are out of our area, you may contact the DRX9000 manufacturer for a specialist near you by going to http://www.axiomworldwide.com

      I wish you luck and great health Nishant.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry L Marks, DC
      http://www.spinediscrehab.com

  19. Sapan Bansal Says:

    Dear Dr,

    Just a simple question? Why would a desiccated disc cause pain when there is no bulge or herniation present.

    Just a black disc on an MRI doesnot explain the kind of pain I experience?

    Thanks
    Sapan

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Sapan,

      Excellent question. The desiccated disc may or may not be the cause of your pain. This is where the doctor must determine through comparing your symptoms, including aggravating factors and the location and nature of the pain and a physical exam.

      A dark disc on MRI means it is dehydrate AKA desiccated. A dehydrated disc can be painful because the outer annular fibers of the disc have nerves in them. If the disc material is defective (dehydrated) it could trigger these nerves and cause pain. If the disc is dehydrated, but not bulging or herniated, the pain will usually be localized lower back pain roughly over the area of the disc. So if your L4 disc is involved you will feel pain at the L4 spinous process. A quick check is to bend forward at the waist and have someone tap your spinous processes (the bony projections in the mid line of your spine) with their fingers firmly. Often pain will be elicited over the segment that has a damaged disc. It may also be elicited on lying face down and having someone push straight down on you spinous processes.

      You may be experiencing back pain from misalignment of the vertebrae, a condition known as subluxation or you may be suffering from chronic muscle tension, facet syndrome or other common causes of lower back pain. There are lots of reasons why people have back pain. A careful and thorough exam and review of your x-rays, MRI and pain pattern should be able to narrow down this list to the root of your problem.

      If you would like to tell me more about your condition, I may be able to help you narrow your condition down some.

      Just reply here and tell me where your pain is located, what it feels like (sharp, stabbing, dull, burn, hot, cold, etc), what activities or positions make it worse and which make it better and what was revealed on your x-rays and MRI.

      Warmest regards

      Dr Barry L Marks, DC
      Author of Cure for Lower Back Pain

  20. Sapan Bansal Says:

    Thanks for a very prompt and conveincing reply.

    The pain is exactly at the edge of L5-S1.Its a dull pain, 24*7 kind of stuff. The pain is localized and remains in a 2 inch circular diameter.The pain is presernt from last 5 years now. Thing which makes it worse

    1)Prolonged sitting, bending.
    2)Mental Tension.

    Things which make it better
    1) Walking,not sure why.

    I have been to almost 10 dosctors for the situation and everyone has a different explanation. I am totally upset and frustated and really donot know what to do.

    I have tried downloading the backpain book but the link does not work.

    Another question, would you know of any Spinal Decompression machines in India?

    Also can I send a soft copy of my MRI? If yes, can you please let me know the email ID?

    Thanks for all your help.

    Regards
    Sapan

  21. Ivan saubidet Says:

    Dr doctor,

    I`m 37 and my doctor told me that I have three lumbar discs undergoing DDD. I don`t have much pain, however my doctor told me that although it is part of the aging process, probably I am genetically prone to develop DDD in the rest of my lumbar vertebraes, faster that other people. Is there a way to slow down the inevitable process? I`m fit and thin, are extension excercises such as the ones at Yoga good? I was starting acrobatic gym, is that a good option?
    Thank you very much.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Ivan,

      Some people do develop degenerative disc disease (DDD) early due to genetic weakness of their connective tissue makeup. It’s defintiely not normal aging for a 37 year old to show signs at 3 levels. It is likley due to stress or strain on your back in the past that has caused your discs to discontinue the normal uptake of water. The discs then get dried out. Painful or not, dehydrated discs need to be rehydrated before they fail. Here’s an analogy: If the tires on your car were all cracked and split, you probably wouldn’t wait until they blew out while you’re driving at full speed before you changed them. At least I woudl hope not. The same is true with with your discs. You need to get them rehydrated before they herniate while playing sports or exercising.

      For DDD I recommend spianl decomrpession followed by extensive core msucle rehabilitation. Afterwards you can consider what type of athletics you participate in. Acrobatic gymnsatics may be possible, but only after you’ve been thorouhgly evaluated and rehabilitated.

      Good luck.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://cureforlowerbackpain.com

  22. INIS Says:

    Dear Dr,

    I am 26 and I suffer from severe shoulder and neck pain daily. It is mainly present when sitting down for long periods or been on my feet for a couple of hours. I work in an office. I have had 2 MRI’s. The 1st 2 years ago showed small bulging dics from C3 through to C7 with the worst centred on C6-C7. With mild to moderate comprimise of nerves. I was treated with anti-inflamtories and muscle relaxants and physio through out the last two years every time it flarred up. (six times) I had another MRI yesterday which shows now the disc from C3 through to C7 are now dessicated with a bulge at C6 C7 and mild scoliosis right centered at C6. I am being referred to a spinal surgeon and have been but on a 150mg of Lyrica(Pregablin) a day. I beleive the cause is from an operation I had on my right clavical when I was 9 to remove a tumour. It has caused me pain since and has resulted in my right sholuder dropping and restricted movement. My physio has told me that my posture is very poor and my muscle tone on my right side is very weak. Even carrying a shopping bag or handbag with my right arm causes extreme fatigue and pain in my right shoulder and neck. The only relief I get is when I am lying down. Where do i go from here is surgery the best option? I would be extremley grateful for your opnion.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Lynnessa,

      Your disc disease appears significant enough to cause your symptoms. At age 26, its unusual to have disc disease like that without trauma or other unusual stress on the spine. The shoulder surgery could have caused an imbalance of the muscles of your neck and shoulder girdle, which could, over time, cause disc deterioration. In any event, you coudl be sufferign from vblockage of nerve and blood flwo through your neck as well as your shoudler area (an area called your thoracic outlet)

      Has anyone evaluated your thoracic outlet area to see if that is blocked? If it is, then neck surgery may not fix your problem. A CT scan or specific x-rays of the area can show if there is bony overgrowth causing impingement in the area. A quick and not very specific self test is to turn your ehad tot eh rioght, rasie your right arm and aletrnatignly poump your fist (close and open fingers) for 30-60 seconds. Does your arm or hand go numb, becoem painful ro feel tinlgy? If so, tehn you ahve throacic outlet problems. If not, then you;re probaly just sufferonmg from neck issues referrign tot eh shoudler area.

      For your neck; have you tried a home cervical traction pillow? Try this: roll up a towel into about a 4 inch roll. Place it on the edge of the bed and lay on your back with the roll under your neck while your head hangs off the end of the bed. Hold this stretch for 5 min. If no negative reaction, ie. dizzy, increased pain, headache, faint, etc then continue daily for 5 min then next week 10 min, then 15 and so on until you’ve reached 20 min a day.

      You should also consider a consult with a doctor that has a DRX9000C spinal decompression unit. Your discs may be repairable without surgery. Only a specialist who performs this procedure can tell you whether or not you are a candidate. I will send you a link by PM to locate someone near you. At your age you have to be extremely cautious about spine surgery. It may be that it is the right thing for you, but find out by seeking further competent advice first.

      Good luck and please feel free to come back and post more questions.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.cureforlowerbackpain.com

  23. Dallas Mitchell Says:

    Dr. Marks
    I am assisting a fellow Veteran, Joan Kidder, in filing for service connection for lumbar degenertive disc disease. She was injured in and auto accident in Dec 1973 while in service and diagnosed with low back strain. She was treated with rest and limited duty for a few weeks and then released. Since that time she has stated that her back has been weak when exercising or even light lifting. 17 years later her back got so painful that she sought medical intervention. She was checked and diagnosed with LDDD so severe that she had to undergo surgery in which they fused 5 levels of her spine in the same area that was injured by the auto accident. At the surgery time she was about 36-37 years of age. She did not have any other reported back injuries between her in-service injury and the time of the required surgery. There was no medical checks of her back during the 17 year period. Va claims that there is no way that it would have taken 17 years for the LDDD to show up even at the advanced stages that required immediate surgery. Her contention is that it took 17 years to manisfest to this extreme stage. She contends that minus the auto accident she would have been much older before the LDDD advanced to the stage of requiring surgery. The Va. standard is if it is (at least likely as not (50/50 chance) that the auto accident started the degenertive process. Her other eight siblings (who are in their 50’s and 60’s) have never had any spine diseaes which should rule out genectic causes. She maintains that this fact along with lack of any other back injuries that could have contributed to the LDDD should lean towards her in-service accident as the eventual cause of her LDDD. Do you know of any studies,litature or Doctors opinions that could assist in her endeavor with the Veterans Adminstration? What is your opinion on whether there is a 50/50 chance that the in-service accident caused her LDDD? Do you have any advice on how to deal with the Va claims process? Thanks in advance Dallas.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Dallas,

      Yes, I have some experience with the VA. Getting them to change a position is difficult but not impossible.

      Your letter pretty much outlines everything I would put into a letter to the VA explaining why it isn’t congenital DDD, but is in fact traumatic in origin. All of your points are valid. It can be 17 years before a spine deteriorates enough to cause severe problems. The fact that her siblings do not have DDD is also excellent proof.

      I would have 2 letters written. One from a chiropractor stating examination findings and mentioning the facts you have pointed out. The second from an orthopedic surgeon corroborating these facts.

      Make sure they state all the facts clearly and then make some kind of statement that reads, “it is medically probable, to a certainty of 75% or greater that the severe disc degeneration that has required surgery and persists today is directly and solely due to the service related injury of December 1973.”

      I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions.

      Warmest regards and with many thanks for yours and Joan’s service to our country,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.cureforlowerbackpain.com

  24. joseph, florida,dont know who to beleave Says:

    dear Dr

    At 23 my girl had a 80 lb dog fall off a table and both landed on her lower back. 1 month later she had an MRI and L4 and L5 disk were black on the MRI. 2 years later she had a nother MRI same result, but now she has leg pain and and worseing lower back pain by the month. Now a nother doc says it was from a genetic DDD. She is now 25. Is it possable for genetic DDD to be responsable for such sever degnaration at such a young age, it would have hade to have started at 16. IF not who can we talk to. she to young to be on heavy pain pills for the rest of her life. without some kind of expert help she will never get the surgry she needs and deserves. please help just need info.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Joseph,

      Does your daughter have any other discs that are dark on the MRI? Does she have siblings with DDD at about her age or younger? Do you or your wife have DDD that began early on? IF these answers are no, then I would bet your daughter injured her back when she fell rather than congenital DDD.

      I see lots of 20-somethings for DDD because of sports, auto accidents, falls, etc.

      At that young age, you do not want to do any surgery unless you have no other options. The long term outlook for surgical patients is not good.

      I specialize in non-surgical spinal decompression for lumbar disc herniations and bulges. I have used this equipment now since 2005 and I have to say that my very biased opinion is you need to seek out a DRX9000 facility in your area to see if she is a candidate. I am often stunned at the results I get. As an example, see this case study of a young woman your daughters age: http://www.spinediscrehab.com/back_pain_case_studies.htm Again I have numerous testimonials from young people who have been greatly helped and gotten back to normal activities thanks to the DRX9000. I can also tell you as a patient it works, because earlier this year I suffered an acute disc bulge and sciatica that was tremendously painful. Thank God I own a DRX because it was only a handful of visits and my pain completely vanished and I’ve been working hard ever since.

      The manufacturer is in Florida, so you’ll have many facilities to choose from. Go to http://axiomworldwide.com and look around.

      Good luck and please let em know how it goes.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.orangespinaldecompression.com

  25. Fiona M Says:

    Hi Dr Marks

    I’m 40 years old. I’ve had longstanding back problems, with intermittent pain and stiffness, since late childhood/early teens. I hurt my lower back when I was about 11, bouncing on a trampoline and (to copy my more flexible sister) twisting my trunk and legs around in mid-air. I also have Scheuermann’s in the thoracic spine with vertebral wedging at T7. In recent years I’ve been able to manage the Scheuermann’s with regular yoga practice and occasional osteopathic treatments.

    About 7 or 8 years ago, my lower back became increasingly stiff when I sat down for long periods. It didn’t matter which type of chair I got; the problem remained, and got worse. Then, early last year I hurt my lumbar quite badly. I just sat down one day, and pain shot from L4 across to my right hip. The hip stuck out to the right side, as the muscles went into spasm.

    I was in severe pain for some days/weeks afterwards. This settled down intermittently, but by late 2008 it got to the point where I could only sit for short periods without pain at L4 that radiated out to both hips (especially the right hip). Despite excellent osteopathic care, the problem got steadily worse, and by May this year, I really couldn’t sit down at all.

    A recent MRI showed moderate disc dessication at L4-5 and L5-S1, with bulges and radial fissures in both discs. My specialist thinks this could account for the pain, but not enough to prevent me from sitting down. He’s a bit mystified about the sitting problem, and has put me on antibiotics in case one of the torn discs has become infected.

    I’d appreciate your view on things. Thanks so much.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Fiona,

      What you have described is actually a very typical scenario for someone suffering from degenerative disc disease.

      Your condition may have begun when you had that trampoline accident or could have been caused by the increased loads applied to the lumbar region due to the wedging at T7. Most likely it is a combination of events throughout life over the past 20 years that have lead to increased disc stress and micro-damage leading to lack of water and nutrition influx to the disc causing very gradual deterioration.

      A condition like yours takes time to develop and suddenly one day you are suffering after a seemingly innocuous activity like sitting.

      Contrary to what your doctor thinks, however, sitting is actually one of the most difficult postures for your lower back. When you sit, gravitational stresses build up in the lower discs and cause them to bulge outward. As opposed to standing when the gravitational load goes through your discs and into your hips and legs.

      A great percentage of my disc patients have difficulty sitting. As a former low back pain sufferer from an L5 herniation myself, I can tell you that sitting and getting in and out of my car were much more problematic than standing, walking and even worse than adjusting patients. I thank God that I own a DRX9000 spinal decompression unit because it saved my back and has allowed me to work unrestricted after approximately 12 visits.

      Therefore, your problem is not a mystery. It is quite typical. If I were you, I would locate a DRX9000 in your area and get an evaluation. If you are a candidate, it will be worth your while. And at your young age you do NOT want surgery unless it is the absolute last thing available to you.

      I wish you luck and hope that you will feel free to come back here and share your ongoing experience with my readers. I am here to help in any way I can.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry L Marks, DC
      http://orangespinaldecompression.com

  26. Lori Breckenridge Says:

    Dr. Marks:
    My Orthopedic Doctor just informed me that I not only do not have a bulging disk, or herniated, but my disc is gone. I guess I already evolved to degenerated. He also said that it is gone in an unusual spot and no surgeon would want to touch me and that there is no fix for this. This coming Tuesday they are injecting a needle into my back, (not cortisone) to alleviate some of the discomfort that I experience everyday. I know this is only a temporary fix. There has to be another solution. If Dr’s can inject silicone or whatever it is these days for breast implants and such, I know there has to be some kind of synthetic material that can be injected and fill in the space of cushion where the disc once was. I am definitely not the youngest person in the world, but I can’t see living the rest of my life with this either. Please tell me there is some alternative that you know of.
    Thanks
    Lori Breckenridge

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Lori,

      Sorry about your back. There are some forms of surgery for a totally collapsed disc space involving opening the space up and then bolting the two adjacent vertebrae in place. There are replacement discs now. Unfortunately, all this is still pretty touchy and long term outcomes aren’t all that great. If you have osteoporosis, your bones may not be dense enough to hold appliances in place. My suggestion si this, find a spinal decompression facility near you. Ive helped others with no disc left. If you are not a good candidate, then check with a spine surgeon. Check the website http://spine-health.com for surgeries and surgeons in your area. Also Google, a surgeon I work with Jacques Palmer in Mission Viejo, CA. He and his brother perform many types of back surgeries and their website will have examples.

      I hope this helps.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry L Marks, DC
      http://www.drmarks.com

  27. anthony Says:

    Dr Marks, I’m in the military and I’m told I have sever DDD with a collapse of my lumbar from l1-l5, I am told that the “official” ruling is spinal and cervical stenosis. my question is, is there anything that can be done, and is it possible that 3 deployments to Iraq in full battle rattle and gear the factor that caused my final collapse? The Military is trying to deny it was a result of my service and why I had to be evacuated from country for treatment and now they want to put me out without compensation. I feel that is was the heavy load and things that the military required me to do that caused it. need some help here

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Anthony,

      First let me say, you and your brothers and sisters who serve us are my heroes. I thank God for people like you. Thank you for your service.

      Next let me say it is sad that when a marine, soldier, sailor, airmen or guardsman does not get what is due and promised to them by our government it really upsets me. Because of this, it is my duty to try to help you and others like you in any small way I can.

      With 3 tours under your belt, you are probably between 22 and 30 years old. Am I close? Now, how often do we see that age group suffer severe DDD and a total collapse of a disc? Not often. It is usually confined to those who have overexerted their bodies through heavy work, athletics, military service or injuries.

      Let em ask you these questions. When you joined the military, did you go in with any back problems from prior injuries? Did you pass a military physical exam? Did you complete boot camp without any back problems? When you served in Iraq, did you carry 50-100 lbs on your back? Did you often bend, twist, lift and carry things? Did you ever jump off of or over any vehicles or obstacles while laden with a back pack or gear? Were you ever a passenger in a vehicle that ran off road or into a wall or other vehicle? Did you have any specific instances where you injured your lower back while in the military whether in combat or otherwise? Did you ever file a report with your CO regarding an injury? Did you seek any medical care while in Iraq for lower back pain?

      Please get back to me with these answers.

      My point is this, if you can show your back was just fine prior to service and that it became painful during and after service, then it stands to reason your problem is a direct result of your service. Specific incidents where your back was injured and you received care would be best, but it would be possible to prove your claim without them.

      When you get back to me with the above answers, also let me know where you are and what medical treatments or exams you’ve had. I would truly be honored to help you with your claim. If you are far from CA, I can help by suggesting reports, strategies, etc. If you are near, I would want to do an exam and write a report and suggest other specialists in the area to help you. Of course it would be totally pro bono on my part. Please allow me to help you in any way I can.

      Best regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC

  28. C.A.WOODS Says:

    DR I FELL 6 YEARS AGO, AND SINCE THAT TIME I HAVE HAD TREMENDOUS LOWER BACK PAIN. SIR MY QUESTION IS CAN THE FALL HAVE ANYTHING TO DO0 WITH A CONGENTIAL DISC DISEASE. I HAD NO BACK PROBLEMS UNTIL THISTIME. I ALSO HAD 2 OR 3 HERNATED DISC FROM MY FALL. I HAVE HAD SEVERAL INJECTIONS, BUT THYE PAIN IS STILL VERY BAD. THANK YOU FOR ANY INFORMATION.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi C.A.

      Do you mean “congenital” or “degenerative” disc disease? Congenital means you are born with it. So, no that would have nothing to do with a fall, but a congenital disc problem could be aggravated by a fall. A degenerative disc can be caused by a fall. If your fall was 6 years ago, but your films show significant bone spurs and lipping, then thats not because of the fall, because lipping and spurring takes many years to develop. I strongly urge you to consider spinal decompression near you. This therapy really does work and I have seen cases improve that even I had some doubts about. Before you submit to surgery or any more shots, find a DRX9000 near you.

      For more info on back pain caused by disc disease and how spinal decompression may help, check out my Free Back Pain Teleseminar
      http://www.spinediscrehab.com/free-back-teleseminar.html

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.drbarrymarks.com

  29. tish Says:

    hello, i was wondering if you could give me any kind of information on my following problem. I was involved in a serious car accident where my car was pushed into a concrete barrier going 70mph. I have been having backaches that comes and goes. My mri only showed early disc degeneration with no buldging. Before the accident, i had no problems associated with my back. Do you think the accident caused this? I already went to a physical therapist. Now, my doctor wants me to try a chiropractor. What is your intake?

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Tish,

      Sorry about your back pain.

      There are a couple of bits of info that I need to make a more thoughtful response.
      1. Your age
      2. Where your back pain is located: center of back, off to side, across back, from back to buttocks or leg, etc
      3. “Early disc degeneration”? Meaning dehydrated discs? Thinning disc space? Or bone spurs and/or lipping?
      4. When was the accident?

      An auto accident of that magnitude can certainly cause lower back problems including disc problems. If you haven’t already gone to a chiropractor, then I urge you to consider it. Medical research is clear, it is the most effective form of care for your type of injury.

      Get back to me about the above questions so we can discuss this further. In the mean time, educate yourself on Car Accident injuries by attending my Free online Video Seminar Series http://www.truthaboutwhiplash.com/ (Look down towards the bottom of page for the sign up form)

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.drbarrymarks.com

  30. tish Says:

    hello, thanks for the quick response. I am 29 years old. The accident happened exactly 3months ago today. Days after the accident, my neck, shoulders, and upper back were in pain also.Now,the pain is always in the lower part of my back, sometimes travelling down to my buttocks. I started to have terrible headaches everyday. Sitting up and bending backwards provides back relief. Advil provides headache relief. I do not know exactly what the early disc degeneration pertains to. All my mri results stated was that there was no buldging associated with it. I visit a chiropractor tomorrow. I am really hoping that they can rectify the problem. I am ready to start picking my children up again.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Thanks for more info Tish,

      A good chiro is a good place to start. Your aches and pains, headaches and back pain are likely to improve with adjustments and exercise. It could take a few months, so be patient. A logical approach to treat your underlying problem would be to undergo chiropractic adjustments for a month or so to mobilize the joints and reduce pain, spasm and irritation. Afterward, treat the disc degeneration.

      Degenerative disc disease in a 29 year old is not uncommon, but even if it is early and especially because you are a mom and want to enjoy your children for years to come, you need to address this problem. Early intervention with DRX9000 spinal decompression to rehydrate the disc may prevent it from deteriorating further and becoming a much larger problem a few short years down the road.

      Consider this scenario; you have early disc disease and receive chiro treatment, which reduces your pain, but does not rehydrate or repair the disc. You and your doctor discontinue care because you “feel better.” (Most doctors, even chiropractors are “short sighted” only treat until symptoms are gone.) Your disc will continue to deteriorate and with all the bending, twisting, lifting involved with motherhood your disc will be under ever increasing pressure and may eventually bulge or herniate. Now you are in BIG trouble.

      Correctly fixing the problem now can save your back. At the very first sign of degeneration or dehydration within a disc, it should be decompressed. In the past (5 years ago) doctors didn’t have the technology to do this. Now that it is available, everyone with this problem should take advantage of it and prevent needless suffering and unnecessary surgeries. If your treating chiro does not have a decompression table (I highly recommend DRX9000 over others) then find one in your area that will take an auto accident case. Not all decompression doctors will, but I’m sure you will be able to find someone. My office does perform decompression for car accidents. If you need help locating someone, I can help.

      Good luck with your condition and please feel free to consult with me. I’m more than happy to help.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.drbarrymarks.com

  31. Toni Says:

    I was rear-ended by a tractor trailer two months ago and have had constant neck and back pain. I have had a MRI and CT scan of the neck and back. There are degenerative comments and bulging discs in both locations. How can you tell if the bulging discs are a result of the accident or degeneration?

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Sorry about your accident Toni,

      It takes several years for degenerative changes like bone spurs, lipping, increased whiteness of joints (sclerosis), decreased joint spacing, etc to show up on x-rays. So, if your accident was recent and you have degenerative changes, they are due to previous injuries or long standign malfunction and not the recent accident.

      BUT PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS:
      Many people have degenerative changes in their spine that they did not know was there. Many people with even moderate degeneration feel no pain and have no apparent disability at all. Until they get in an accident and then the degenerative changes flare up and may never calm down again. Second important point: having degeneration at the time of your accident puts you at increased risk of injury. Degenerative spines cannot tolerate crash stress as well as spines that are free of degeneration.

      Disc bulging may be due to the degeneration or may have occurred more recently. Are the discs dehydrated or desiccated? Moderate to severe dehydration would be uncommon for an acute injury and more likely be from the degeneration.

      You may never be able to prove medically whether the bulges are due to the accident or from an another older source, but you and your attorney can make a very compelling case through your past work and medical history.

      If you can show a work history that is free of lost time from work due to neck or back pain and no impairment of your functions, then it would show that your neck and back were healthy enough to do normal work before. Also your exercise history is important. If you were working out or exercising regularly then had to stop due to pain that would also lend credibility to the injuries begin from the auto accident.

      If your medical history is free of frequent visits to the MD or chiropractor for neck or back pain, then suddenly after the accident you present to them with pain then that again shows the pain and impairment is from the accident.

      More important in an auto case is not if the crash caused a bulge, but rather if the crash caused the physical impairment and pain associated with the bulge.

      If you truly had no neck or back pain that caused you to seek medical treatment or to miss work or inhibit your daily activities until after the crash then it is plain to see the pain and disability is a direct cause of the crash.

      A competent specialist in auto crash treatment and a good lawyer should be able to make the case for you. I wish you luck. Please come back if you have further questions.

      You may also want to visit another blog I am connected to: http://occaraccident.wordpress.com

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.orange-car-accident.com

  32. dave Says:

    Dear dr.
    I have pain in my neck and right arm, I have had a nerve test that shows nerve damage consitant with c5-c6-7 but my mri shows left buldge not right but all my symtoms are on the right. how do you explain this?
    I have drs. baffled why im hurting right when it should be left so they say. looking for answers and what to do im on lyica 150ml had two injections that didnt help, im in pt 3x week but mostly looking for answer on the symtoms being right not left

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Dave,

      That is a mystery, BUT look at your MRI report carefully, does it say any of the bulges are “midline” or “center-left” A midline or centralized bulge can affect the nerves on either side. Also re-read your report and look for anything that is abnormal on the left. Sometimes you will find “minor” or “minimal” abnormalities that are overshadowed by more substantial findings on the other side. Sometimes the “minor” findings are the culprit. When it comes to disc bulges and nerve irritation, size doesn’t matter. Even a mild 1-2 mm bulge can make a big difference. You can have virtually no bulge, but a disc defect can leak it’s contents onto nearby nerves and cause chemical irritation, like a burn to the nerves. So my advice is to re-read your report and possibly have other eyes look at the films for a better understanding. If you’d like, you may email me the report and I will take a look for you.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.drbarrymarks.com

  33. Wendy Says:

    I am 27 and have been suffering with numbness and pins and needles in my left arm since I was 16. The Doctors did blood tests and sent me for ECG’s which all came back fine and I was told it was anxiety?? The pins and needles and numbness came and went over the last 11 years.
    I now live with my husband in the Middle East and his company give us private health as part of his package. Four months ago I woke with an agonising pain in my neck along with the pins and needles. I had sciatica and pins and needles in my toes also. All on the left side of my body. The pain in my neck was a burning one and continued up the back of my head. My neck was also stiff and my husband had to dress me to take me to the doctors I was in so much pain.
    The doctor said I had sprained my neck – although I had done nothing out of the ordinary for this to occur?? I was given a muscle relaxing injection and presribed pain relief, muscle relaxants and anti inflammatory drugs for two weeks. Within 10 days the pain and stiffness was gone and only the numbness and pins and needles remained. Two months later I had the same experience where I woke in agony and the same symptoms down my left hand side. This time the doctor sent me for Xrays and an MRI.
    The MRI shows DDD at C5-C6 manifested by loss of hydration and diffuse degenrative disc bulge. There is associated posterolateral to the left disc protrusion with indentation of the spinal cord and nerve root compression on the left hand side.
    At C4-C5 DDD is noted by loss of hydration and mild DD Bulge. Associated small posterior central disc protrusion with indentation of the anterior column of CSF.
    Degenerative anterior oesteophyte formation is noted at C4-C5 and C5-C6.
    Im am so sorry to be so long winded but this report has not really been explained to me. I was given a soft collar to wear and prescribed muscle relaxants, Voltaren, and Vitamin B and told to attend 12 session of physio therapy which consisted of ultrasound, deep heat waves and massage.
    The physio has now ended and I do not have pins and needles but I now have burning pain and stiffness on the right side of my neck. My right arm is also going numb and heavy every now and then.
    What can I expect to happen from here. Will I just take pills when I have flare ups? What does my future hold with regards to the DDD? I feel very frustrated living away from home and with the lack of communication with the doctors.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Wendy,

      It looks to me like you are suffering from a disc problem in your neck that is affecting the entire spinal cord from that point down. It is not the most common form of disc disorder, especially for your young age, but it definitely happens. You can throw phrases like small in reference to disc bulges out the window. What matters is if the thecal sac is indented or CSF is blocked which it is in your case. Think of your spinal column as a water hose and the nerves flowing through it as water. You have a kink in the hose at C4/5, C5/6 that is blocking the flow to areas at and below that level.

      As long as you still have hand strength and your hands or arms are not shrinking (atrophy), then there may still be hope of a conservative fix. Try to locate a DRX9000 spinal decompression facility near you. Go to http://www.axiomwordlwide.com Your discs might be able to be decompressed. If not, yours is the type of case that often will require surgical treatment.

      I wish you luck Wendy. If you have further questions or an have update for me please feel free to come back here and post.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://www.drbarrymarks.com

  34. Aaron Says:

    Hi,
    I was in a car accident about 3 months ago and have just received results of my MRI saying desiccation of of the L5/S1 disc; there is mild broad based disc buldge at L5/S1 Everything else is fine fine fine, no compromise of nerve roots etc. etc..

    Now the accident was relatively minor as far as accidents go, however the pain since is not.

    I have never had back problems before, since the accident I have trouble emptying the dish washer, pain when I wake, especially when sitting etc, the majority of the time it is always niggling.

    My question is this, Can Desiccation be caused suddenly by this accident and what is causing me the pain? It seems the majority of research says it is degeneritive, however as I said I have never had back pain prior.

    Thanks for your assitance.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hello Aaron,

      If your accident was fairly “minor” as you say, it is unlikely that your disc was acutely ruptured and then lost water.

      The more common scenario is you had a slowly deteriorating disc that was totally asymptomatic. The desiccation was occurring so slow you did not feel or sense any problems. Then the jolt of the accident was enough to destabilize the disc and cause it to bulge or become irritated and thus produce symptoms.

      This is very common and is cited often in the medical and scientific literature.

      I hope this information is useful. Let me know if you have any further questions.

      Check out my online video car accident seminar Truth About Whiplash, sign up Free at http://orange-car-accident.com

      Warmest regards
      Dr Marks

      It is the reason why a “minor” accident would be sufficient to produce serious back pain that prevents you from physical activity such as simple household tasks.

  35. tish Says:

    hello,
    i wrote to you in august explaining my situation with my back problems. My first mri showed on early disc degeneration. I had another mri done last week and it showed a bulging disc at L5-S1, the same area as the degeneration. I’ve been going to the chiro for almost two months now. His adjustments just aren’t working. According to the chiropractor, my facet joints in the same area keeps locking up.The adjustments have been unsuccessful in getting the facet joints (as well as other areas) to move freely. My physician has referred me to a neurosurgeon. Isn’t it supposed to take years for disc degeneration to lead up to a bulging disc?

  36. Rod Mikkelson Says:

    Hi,
    I’m presently 44 years old. I had a whiplash injury in 1988. I never recovered from this. Shoulder pain, upper middle back burning sensation, fingers lock up at times, jaw cracks and is painful, neck pain, and daily headaches that radiate from back of neck. I’ve seen many doctors and chiropractors with no lasting relief. In 1991 I was diagnosed with scoliosis. I had my first MRI in 2006 due to a deep subfacial Lipoma on my neck at the spot of my pain. I presently have another below this one. I have a mild diffuse disk bulge at c6 to c7. I had bilateral cubital tunnel surgery in 1995. I still have numbing in my fingers and decreased hand strength. My 12 year old daughter has more muscle mass than me. I also saw a urologist in 2000 for frequent urination and leaking. Could all of these symptoms be related to my neck injury. Maybe the cubital tunnel surgery was unneccessary.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hi Rod,

      It is quite likely you are suffering from “myelopathy” of the cervical spine. This is a condition involving pressure on teh spinal cord itself, not just the spinal nerves. This cause progressive weakness, muscle atrophy and pain as well as symptoms downstream such as arm and hand pain or weakness and if severe enough leg and foot pains or weakness and bowel or bladder incontinence.

      My advice is get another MRI and have electrodiagnostic tests done by a neurologist. This should nail down whether or not you have myelopathy or not. If so, and it is moderate to severe, you may need to have decompression surgery done on your neck. If it is very mild, you may respond to DRX non-surgical spinal decompression.

      This is potentially very serious, so take care of this ASAP.

      Good luck Rod. Please keep me posted.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC
      http://drbarrymarks.com

  37. cali1234 Says:

    Hi Dr. I was in a severe 4 wheeler accident about 6 months ago I jammed my knees up and was sore everywhere. I then started have low back so severe its as if I could not stand up straight sometimes and excruiating pain. I am a heavy equipment operator and a month and a half ago I picked up 150lb manhole cover twisted and snap. The workmans comp dr. has been treating me for muscle sprain would not do an MRI finally got an MRI approved through my adjuster ( A BIG MESS)after physical therapy hurting me even more to where I can’t even sleep at night. My MRI came back as a buldging disc 2-3mm on my L5-S1 Vertbrae now that being said from reading other posts on here I shouldnt be hurting as much as I do. I feel like it goes from one side of my hip to the other radiates my entire lower back I cant bend over. AFter sitting longer than 30 min I cant hardly straighten it out. I cant sleep good at night. Do you think it could be worse or hitting nerves. I heard there is nothing I can do besides therapy and time????? Confused in California

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Hello Confused in CA,

      First, I am so sorry to hear of your problem.

      Next, read some more comments on this site and you should understand one very important thing about disc bulges: size does NOT matter. Small bulges can cause a tremendous amount of pain while larger ones may or may not. Each patient is an individual and the size of the disc bulge is a very small factor in why you re suffering.

      Also, your experience with physical therapy is common. PT often aggravates a problem like yours, as does chiropractic and acupuncture.

      Next, I would hope that you would also learn from this site that “therapy and time” are a waste of time. Problems like yours don’t just fade away. Sure your pain may eventually lessen due to nerves becoming burned out, but the problem will still be there physically.

      Finally, you should understand that the technology now exists to repair a disc like yours and keep it from getting worse. Of course not everyone is well suited to this treatment, but for those who are, it can save them from suffering and surgery. And it takes only weeks, not months or years. So, there is no reason to sit around waiting for solemnization to happen that never will or endure painful therapy sessions.

      DRX9000 spinal decompression may be the answer to your problem. I urge you to look into this further on this site. You may also read my latest post that speaks about How to Choose a Spinal Decompression Office in Orange County.

      Good luck and please let me know if you have any further questions.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC

      http://spinaldecompression.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/how-to-choose-a-spinal-decompression-center-in-orange-county-ca/

  38. Rod Says:

    Hi Dr.,
    I was seen by a neurologist like you mentioned for looking into myelopathy for the cervical spine. I got the run around from him at first. He didn’t like the fact that I had a theory or diagnosis without him telling me himself. He kept trying to debunk all my symptoms and even you suggesting that I need an MRI to see about myelopathy. He said that was crazy to think that I had that. He pretty much said that I didn’t have a disability and it was in my head. All the other doctors couldn’t find anything and he probably couldn’t either he stated. I almost walked out of the office; but I kept my cool and told him that is why I’m here. To find an answer. He proceeded to check my walking and reflexes. When he noticed one side was more pronounced for reflex than the other in the upper extremities. He said that something is wrong. He checked my reflexes in my knees and I almost kicked him in the head. Missed by a couple inches. LOL He said that is the first time that has ever happenned to him. That is the first time that he took me seriously in the whole appointment. When my leg went up like that. My whole body shook. I was scared. My right and left leg did this. I’m having an MRI C-T-L spine s contrast next week. Impression cervical pain with spastic paraparesis. When I was leaving he stated that I might have myelopathy. I thank you so very much for giving me your opinion. For your thoughtfulness and time that you take out of your day to answer these questions is very helpful. Twenty one years later and I’m finnally being taken seriously. I just hope it’s not to late and I don’t have permanent damage. God bless you.

    • Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

      Rod,

      While I hate the thought of you having such a severe problem, I am at least comforted that you are on your way to finally finding what is at the root of your disability and hopefully a cure. In 23 years of practice, I have only personally examined 2 people with myelopathy. The first was in my first few years of practice and I, and a host of other doctors missed it. It was subtle, but there. It wasn’t until it became very severe after a minor auto accident did it occur to me what it was. I vowed never to miss that again. So when another patent came in about 10 years later, I did not miss it and made a referral that resulted in a successful surgery and no major nerve deficits.

      I am so proud of you for your persistence and in staying cool to re-direct his focus on you. Until you’ve seen everyone and tried everything, there is always hope. The exaggerated reflex and shaking is called “clonus” and it is commonly seen in deep spinal cord problems like myelopathy.

      It’s my pleasure to help you. It sounds cliche’, but it is why I became a doctor and why today I try to serve every day.

      Please keep me posted here.

      Warmest regards,

      Dr Barry Marks, DC

      It weill be very interesting to learn what is on your MRI’s. Please remember to share here for others to learn from.

  39. Rod Says:

    Hi Dr,
    I found out the results from my MRI. The good news that I have, I don’t have Myelopathy. My spinal cord looks good and my disks look that of a 44 year old. Not perfect, but not bad. The bad news is I have no curve at all in my neck and my back is almost completely straight. My muscles are also oblonged and irregular which is not normal. With having this for over twenty years. He said injections probably wouldn’t help. From looking at my scan he told me he could tell that I was in alot of pain. I’m still having major muscle spasms. He is referring me to the best pain management clinic in the area. He is also going to check back with the Rhematologist to check into arthritis. Everything came back negative the last time I went to him. He can’t explain my spastic knee reflexes. He’s leaning to another straight back syndrome. I don’t meet the criteria for that yet. He still thinks something might be going on with the spinal cord somewhere even though it doesn’t show. Way back in 1991 the Chiropractor that I was seeing said that I was loosing the curvature of my neck. It went from loosing to lost. Since this has been going on for so long and doctors only gave me conservative treatment. Do you think my spine is shot.
    I got to say that anyone that has a whiplash injury. Take it very seriously. Pain is real and not in your head. Don’t let your doctor ignore warning signs. If your not happy, continue following up and go to another doctor. Many doctors do not care to research if symptoms are not black and white. You as a patient needs to take control of your issue and research. I wouldn’t of never got an appointment from my family doctor to see a neurologist I found one that would take me self referrred.
    Thank you,
    Rod

  40. Rod Says:

    Hi Dr.
    I was wondering if you can give me some feedback on my MRI results. I sent them to you last week. I still have the bulge in my neck; but it isn’t pushing on the spinal cord. A couple smaller ones in my lower back and they aren’t pressing on the cord either. The wierd thing is I went from developing scoliosis after the accident. To not having any curve at all in the neck or back. My muscles in that area are very stiff and rigid also. The doctor was worried with the way they looked. The doctor said that shots probably wouldn’t work since I’ve had this going on 21 years. He also don’t want to do anything that isn’t beneficial; since it costs so much. My spastic reflexes in the lower region are still unexplained.
    From your experience. Do you think that I have any hope of living pain free or get my back normal. I got set up with the best pain management clinic in the state.
    Thank you,
    Rod

  41. Rod Says:

    Hi Dr.
    I went to pain management and I got a diagnosis of central pain syndrome. The doctor scheduled an emg for my knee and feet symptoms. He couldn’t quite understand them. He asked me if I ever had a brain injury and I told him about the whiplash injury. He stated that the trauma could of caused this syndrome, since I’ve had this pain and symptoms this long and muscle relaxers never worked. I’m going to a psychiatrist to get my meds for depression looked at. My neurologist put me on another one, knowing that I already had two. Thats the first place to start and I’m also going to physical therapy to start me on light exercise program. My muscles have tightened up over the years. I need to decide on injections and or IV with medicine in it. It’s a hard illness to control; but at least now I can put all of my efforts to fighting the pain. Now I have direction. The doctor says it’s trial and error with the plan on fighting this. Not much is known. Do you know anything about this syndrome? Why couldn’t any of my other doctors or chiropractors diagnose this chronic issue? If my spinal cord isn’t pinched on my MRI pictures and it looks healthy. What kind of damage occured and why isn’t fixed by now?
    I know your a busy man and I appreciate everything that you do for pain sufferers. Your awesome!!!!
    Thank you for your time.

  42. Dr Barry L. Marks, DC Says:

    Hi Sherry,
    Forgive me, but I am going to be brutally honest with you and pull no punches. I apologize in advance if I offend you, but…

    You doctor is an ass. Plain and simple.

    Do you know how often I hear those types of remarks from supposed experts? More than I can count.

    Your story is typical of someone who has had a slowly degenerating disc over a long period of time and then it eventually gives way and causes nerve irritation. The size of a bulge and whether or not it is actually touching/pinching directly on the nerve has nothing to do with how much pain you will have. And you also don’t have to do much to get it to bulge once it is degenerative. One wrong move can do it.

    A 2 mm bulge can cause tremendous pain while an 8 mm one may not. It all depends on your spine’s relative structural size. You may suffer severe pain when the nerve is not even being pinched because of chemicals that leak out of the deteriorating disc.

    I had a disc problem for the first time in my life late last year and I was almost debilitated. I could barely get out of bed in the morning and once I got into my car, I had a hard time getting out of it when I got to the office! My disc bulge was not very large, but boy did I feel it. So I can tell you from personal experience, your pain is NOT in your head.

    My advice:
    1. Fire your unsympathetic and ignorant doctor
    2. Find a DRX9000 in your area; you will probably be an excellent candidate for the procedure. It helped me.
    3. Only treat with a doctor you are comfortable with and who has a good bedside manner, answers your questions and shows true concern for your well being.

    Understand this from your experience: you cannot assume just because someone made it through school, passed some tests and got a license, that they know what the heck they are doing. That goes for doctors, lawyers, plumbers, teachers, whatever. Most people are average. Some are actually good and many are downright dreadful. The commonality among them is that they all passed a test at one time and received a piece of paper with fancy writing on it. You wouldn’t know if they were on academic probation the entire time in school, if they passed each test by 1 point, if they were at the bottom of their class or if they took their tests 5 times until they finally squeaked by. Measure a professional’s ability on what you see, hear and feel. A true professional will take the time to make you feel comfortable and explains things to you. They will not make you feel stupid for asking questions. They will not belittle your condition. If they do, they are a hack that does not deserve your business. If more patients took this approach, we’d run all the bad doctors out of business. Unfortunately, many just take it.

    I hope this is a help to you Sherry and again I apologize for being so blunt and jumping on a soap box.

    Warmest regards,

    Dr Barry Marks, DC
    Orangespinaldecompression.com

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